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[–]RARE FLAIR SOONparaphony 1144 points1145 points  (302 children)

Wow, the slippers of agility change is actually huge.

[–]Go Sheever!karreerose 243 points244 points  (144 children)

guess PMS will be picked up way less now

[–]Me4onyX 355 points356 points  (85 children)

now everyone will start with 2 slippers on heroes like centaur and buy the stout later LUL

[–]orangejuice1234 78 points79 points  (19 children)

7.05: removed Stout Shield from Side Shop

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    [–]Fuck Cancer, Go Sheeverdanosky 45 points46 points  (12 children)

    7.07 Secret shops are randomly generated in 2 out of several posible locations.

    [–]Stubbby 16 points17 points  (10 children)

    7.08 Secret shops move around the map at fixed 400 ms.

    [–]BEERTUS PRUsmittymj 24 points25 points  (8 children)

    7.09 added questline and boss fight to unlock secret shop

    [–]fuck cancer. love Sheever and free hatsIvoryWhiteTeeth 22 points23 points  (7 children)

    7.10 Secret shop questline and boss fight are now only accessible to owners of Winter Battle Pass 2017 2018

    [–]My meatballs are tastynelsonnyan2001 19 points20 points  (6 children)

    7.11 Dota 2 is playable at $8.99 per month

    [–]lonepandaboy 172 points173 points  (51 children)

    i harass the shit out of you if i see you without a stout shield

    [–]kaukamieli 766 points767 points  (11 children)

    I harass the shit out of you anyway, because I don't check what you have.

    [–]Danzo3366 199 points200 points  (4 children)

    bane flair

    yeah makes sense

    [–]Mathmage530 44 points45 points  (0 children)

    No eyes man, how can he check?

    [–]My boi S4MyClitBiggerThanUrD 56 points57 points  (15 children)

    Just recently played against an offlane timber without stout shield, couldn't believe my eyes. Needless to say, we killed him several times in lane. Sad thing is we still lost the game. #just4kthings

    [–]i got aghs motherfuckersttovotsttnt[🍰] 35 points36 points  (14 children)

    This always happens to me, shut down the carry in the laning stage, forget about him for a while, suddenly there's a level 22 timbersaw flying around everywhere impossible to kill

    [–]Who's. Doomed. Now.Luize0 36 points37 points  (13 children)

    I recently went 8-0 vs a slark as clockwork. Continued by losing the game vs a 19-12 carrying slark. Fuck dota.

    [–]つ◕_◕ ༽つoberynMelonLord 20 points21 points  (8 children)

    that sounds like a classic case of not closing out the game. that's one of my biggest problems when playing offlane, no matter how much you shut down their safe lane, your teammates don't capitalize on the advantage.

    [–]noob teammate is worse than strong enemyskrylius 22 points23 points  (16 children)

    Stout Shield is simply the best item in the game for melee heroes.

    [–]zuho00 29 points30 points  (0 children)

    alternative is that it's gonna be way more popular starting item

    [–]reapr56 18 points19 points  (3 children)

    except for mids that used to get it, ember for example will almost always get pms

    [–]Divine 3M4mb0 13 points14 points  (4 children)

    people will just buy 2 slippers + tango + Salve/mango + faery now and then get stout at the side shop.

    Seems more or less like a small nerf to juggs laning stage who used to go stout + tango + salve + mango into PMS which is not possible anymore.

    [–]BrazilMajorWhenrapozaum 346 points347 points  (55 children)

    Rip Aquila

    EDIT: It's funny because it will actually rest in pieces now that we can't assemble it quickly

    [–]s4r9am 363 points364 points  (22 children)

    Rip poor man's shield

    EDIT: It's funny because it will actually rest in pieces now that we can't assemble it quickly

    [–]BrazilMajorWhenrapozaum 131 points132 points  (20 children)

    Rip Wraith Band

    EDIT: It's funny because it will actually rest in pieces now that we can't assemble it quickly

    [–]DING DING DING DING WIN THE LOTTOmattbrvc 90 points91 points  (15 children)

    Ice frog really wants people to stop picking Luna

    [–]Hao fangay hereredirtab 51 points52 points  (4 children)

    by nerfing everything else instead of direct luna nerf xd

    [–]It's COMMANDER trash bin to youschnudelnudel 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    Same thing with jugg... inb4 "need arcana sales", i know, but he's still annoying to play enough and a staple carry of this patch and a safe and strong pick for a good while now. No, he's not (borderline) OP, but no other hero at the moment is, either.

    [–]Fuck this team LUL, also take my energy sheeverdavidr_v 20 points21 points  (2 children)

    Rip joke

    [–]dotoent 56 points57 points  (1 child)

    It's funny because jokes have pieces and can be assembled too

    [–]we fall, we risestr_d2 17 points18 points  (0 children)

    Rip PMS

    [–]Tornadospeed 34 points35 points  (1 child)

    i can't wait to play mid and have my safelane carry player ship out his PMS before i get my bottle wooooooooooo

    [–]disconnekt 27 points28 points  (82 children)

    Wtf is the reasoning for this

    [–]RARE FLAIR SOONparaphony 129 points130 points  (40 children)

    PMS was bought by most if not all melee heroes.

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      [–]TweetsInCommentsBot 25 points26 points  (0 children)

      @Arteezy

      2017-03-15 10:46 UTC

      Patiently waiting for PMS to only be purchasable after 3 min and an abaddon armor nerf ty God bless


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      [–]berkston 14 points15 points  (9 children)

      well apparently this isn't what he wanted..

      https://twitter.com/Arteezy/status/844995399349813248

      [–]afrojumper 36 points37 points  (6 children)

      rtz like always. he will complain about every change in this fucking game.

      "wtf i'm always in a game with 9 peruvians?"

      Valve changed region lock

      "wtf why does my queue last so long? where are my peruvians?"

      Valve change the queue system

      "Wtf why am i in a game with 5k people? I miss my old long queue."

      [–]reofi 5 points6 points  (2 children)

      it makes for some entertaining viewing when he is teamed up with 4 peruvians though

      [–]ReaganxSmash 9 points10 points  (4 children)

      with this and the exp change I think they want to stop really early aggression and low level roaming

      Isn't that basically what Valve has been going for with all recent patches??

      Quicker leveling, emphasis on early teamfights, etc.?

      [–]gggjcjkg 25 points26 points  (3 children)

      Well, they overdid it. So now they are scaling it back with other methods.

      [–]Yimitrix 346 points347 points  (86 children)

      Sange and Yasha proc chance increased from 35% to 40%

      7.00 was 25%

      7.02 was 30%

      7.03 is 35%

      i see the next 7.05 will be 45%

      [–]RARE FLAIR SOONparaphony 373 points374 points  (72 children)

      7.05 Patch Notes

      • Eye of Skadi is now crafted using a Yasha and Sange

      [–]Good luck Sheever!Avocia 266 points267 points  (11 children)

      Seeing it written as "Yasha & Sange" makes me deeply uncomfortable.

      [–]EzshenUltimate 91 points92 points  (7 children)

      I legit read that as "Yange & Sasha"...

      [–]THEY ACTUALLY DID ITcolors1234 16 points17 points  (1 child)

      Sasha?

      сука влуат!

      [–]You can do it, Sheever!Xaithix 28 points29 points  (2 children)

      Oh my god...who touched Sasha?

      WHO TOUCHED MY GUN?!

      [–]DotA__2 76 points77 points  (39 children)

      I mean... It makes decent sense.

      [–]AKKE-GOD EGM-GOD BULL-GOD S4-GOD L-GODHeavenAndHellD2arg 88 points89 points  (21 children)

      its a stupid buff to skadi and s&y, s&y is supposed to be a mid game item thats cheap and simple to build, skadi is supposed to be a lategame item thats a pain in the ass to farm

      [–]Gredival 13 points14 points  (10 children)

      This is actually how they balanced it in HoN; their version of Skadi was made with Sange, which was a constant slow not a proc. So you turned Sange into Skadi and Yasha into Manta.

      Manta in DotA used to require Diffusal, don't remember if that was in HoN.

      [–]honkey-ponkey 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      But then skadi would have to provide +ms boost. Would become a very powerful item.

      [–]Sheever me timbersChaotic_Gold 22 points23 points  (12 children)

      That would actually make a lot of sense in terms of their functions. a stat item with a slow and a speed increase into a more stat item with a bigger slow. But it would also make Skadi too easy to build and the sudden burst in +Int after the full assembly would be kinda dumb.

      [–]thradakor 10 points11 points  (6 children)

      That's how it worked in HoN, you'd build skadi out of the sange equivalent.

      [–]Bruce666123 22 points23 points  (7 children)

      And still not built

      [–]icefr4ud 5 points6 points  (6 children)

      It was a t1 item when it last had this much slow on ranged heroes. People built both sny and Skadi. U just need troll to become meta again

      [–]NjFERXZZ 149 points150 points  (17 children)

      obvious statement here by valve: less death ball, more splitpushing/ratting.

      [–]Partyintheattic 37 points38 points  (13 children)

      Idk how i feel, i havent played vs rat in a long time. I dont remember how cancerous it was.

      [–].gamepedia.com/media/dota2.gamepedia.com/1/17/Anti_rapier_02.mp3rapier_divine 100 points101 points  (7 children)

      still less cancer than 5 mnning all the time

      [–]Nippahh 77 points78 points  (4 children)

      I don't know. Chasing morph in every lane while NP/lycan pushes another one gets old real fast.

      [–]ZuneNebula 14 points15 points  (0 children)

      Thankfully people are beyond horrible at ratting in my bracket, well now that i think about it, they were also bad at deathballing, but that changed real fast.

      [–]demon-storm 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      But you can actually combat that by coordinating well. Can't say the same about a 3 slotted bloodlusted luna in min 25 that's halfway through your rax just because you blinked.

      [–]SheeverCaptain-Moroni 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      How so?

      [–]zappledd 671 points672 points  (29 children)

      No vacuum nerf, not sure if patch is real

      [–]StillWeird 116 points117 points  (18 children)

      We will get a double nerf next patch, don't worry.

      [–]one big fishy boiputifarrix 72 points73 points  (14 children)

      Rofl, this is the last patch of dark seer being a thing before it gets deleted in the next patch for ceremonial reasons

      [–]Expect to see less of me.Ded-ded 204 points205 points  (12 children)

      Light Forecaster, with his new abilities:

      • Hoover
      • Wraithfire Shell
      • Run Fast
      • Fence of Identical Fellas

      [–]hobo_redditor 111 points112 points  (5 children)

      7.06

      • "Hoover" renamed to "my GF" to adequately represent its limited suction capabilities

      [–]Da TERROR from da BARRORBlizzy_the_Pleb 71 points72 points  (2 children)

      7.08

      • "my GF" renamed to "what GF" as redditors and Dota players tend to not know what a female is

      7.08b

      Fixed grammar and spelling

      [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      Femal? I only know Kemal.

      [–]Paaraadox 10 points11 points  (4 children)

      Run fast

      Slardar?

      [–]mljsm 645 points646 points  (30 children)

      7.1 Sideshop has been removed.

      [–]birdiechakigun 490 points491 points  (21 children)

      Sideshop replaced with Amazon.com Free 2-day shipping for members! In partnership with Volvo!

      [–][deleted] 167 points168 points  (11 children)

      Alexa, order me a Wraith Band with Prime Now.

      [–]Heimdalsvogter 195 points196 points  (8 children)

      Alexa, are my wards connected to the CIA?

      [–]birdiechakigun 88 points89 points  (4 children)

      Silence

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      Your silence betrays you.

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      [–]#1CHESSIEFANBOIcoopdegrace 19 points20 points  (1 child)

      Alexa, are my core players Russian agents?

      [–]Once you go R[A]T you never go back. SheeverBaltowolf 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Obama do you want one, too?

      [–]norax_d2 20 points21 points  (4 children)

      Nice! Instead of a flying courier we will have drones delivering the cargo.

      [–]mjc354 31 points32 points  (3 children)

      Amazon Drone courier cosmetic when?

      [–]norax_d2 11 points12 points  (2 children)

      When razer razor gets released.

      [–]Cancer_Jesus 26 points27 points  (2 children)

      For pressing ceremonial reasons

      [–]dotiesyngvarr-kor 280 points281 points  (27 children)

      Queen of Pain: Shadow Strike cast point reduced from 0.452 to 0.4

      lmao

      [–][deleted] 264 points265 points  (13 children)

      winrate increased by 0.052%

      [–][deleted]  (4 children)

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        [–]dotiesyngvarr-kor 45 points46 points  (0 children)

        This is worthy of its own fp post. Delete!

        [–]Good luck Sheever!Avocia 25 points26 points  (3 children)

        Kinda necessary on a Spell with potentially 0 cooldown. Basically you're spamming Shadow Strike now, you get 9 in the space of time you used to get 8. So irrelevant, but necessary.

        [–]szosti122 386 points387 points  (2 children)

        When you expect literally nothing but it's 7.04 instead PogChamp

        [–]dorchkid25 107 points108 points  (4 children)

        inb4 7.05 comes out tomorrow

        [–]HolocenePhoenix [The Macropyre DUDE]calebfaice 218 points219 points  (65 children)

        I just keep picking phoenix and just keep winning and they just keep buffing it. Thanks Frog.

        [–]Go_SheeverLaxea 85 points86 points  (23 children)

        GIMME GOLD

        GIMME DPS

        [–]zippytrihard 27 points28 points  (11 children)

        PHOENIX FLARES REJOICE

        [–]Sheevercreatistation 10 points11 points  (8 children)

        Hello, it's your counter here

        [–]https://thanede.com/phoenixThane_DE 9 points10 points  (2 children)

        I too like to veil -> sun ray you shitty gnomes to death.

        Really though, Meepo is as much of a counter to Phoenix as Phoenix is a counter to Meepo, at least in my experience. Sure, Meepo fucks over any egg you might try to pull off, but once Phoenix has its sun ray up, things don't look to good for the average meepo player

        [–]I do not give offense. You take it. -Carlin667x 16 points17 points  (6 children)

        No, no.

        That, no.

        That no gold.

        That no dps.

        [–][deleted]  (5 children)

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          [–]Me4onyX 21 points22 points  (10 children)

          Honestly this is actually insane. I'm not a phoenix player but I tried the hero for some games after 7.00 and it feels so good (75% wr in 12 games for me). Sunray is still strong as fuck so I max it first and that level 15 talent destroys everything. On top of that the hero needs no items actually and just levels (so I guess midas is THE item).

          [–]HolocenePhoenix [The Macropyre DUDE]calebfaice 15 points16 points  (6 children)

          Yeah, honestly phoenix is so strong. Midas has always been good but now more than ever.

          [–]The burds support Sheever!--Potatoes-- 31 points32 points  (2 children)

          Phoenix is the new Lina, gets minor buffs every single patch until its finally noticed and BAM comes the nerf hammer

          I used to play Lina a lot :(

          [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (3 children)

          ikr? caw caw caw :v

          [–]DotA__2 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          Nobody expects the solar chicken to cook their ass.

          [–]kinkosan 729 points730 points  (43 children)

          Nature's Prophet: Level 15 Talent changed from +35 Movement Speed to +4 Treants Summoned

          But is it good as +6 Treant? :thinking:

          [–]Archyes 248 points249 points  (5 children)

          Thats icefrog telling bulldog to go and save alliance once again!

          [–]sheeverNwball 42 points43 points  (4 children)

          that and the bm buffs.

          [–]dotoent 29 points30 points  (2 children)

          LD radiance build buffed too

          [–]Once you go R[A]T you never go back. SheeverBaltowolf 13 points14 points  (1 child)

          I was getting kind of bored with this Sniper build. Well, not bored per se I guess. More just find it too easy. I have 220+ games on LD and it's like the easiest thing ever. Don't even need to try to micro at all or anything.

          [–]Tanksenior 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          I need more MOTHER COMES in my life :D

          [–]Sinjl 113 points114 points  (14 children)

          +4 treants + x2 treants OSFrog

          [–]If there's a retard in your every game then you are the retard.Beezqp 88 points89 points  (13 children)

          7.05: All trees on the map changed to treants

          [–]Me4onyX 60 points61 points  (8 children)

          7.06: Added more trees on the map

          [–]The burds support Sheever!--Potatoes-- 15 points16 points  (4 children)

          7.07: 10 treants are now spawned for every grid tile (32x32) on the map, no trees required

          [–]ddlion7 24 points25 points  (3 children)

          7.08: Removed Timbersaw for pressing ceremonial reasons.

          [–]IamLonelyGAP_Trixie 17 points18 points  (2 children)

          7.10: bulldog returns to allience roster and he, loda, egm, akke, s4 start to rat again

          [–]Sheevercreatistation 8 points9 points  (1 child)

          They go on to be the first 12 year olds to be double tea eye weiners

          [–]DING DING DING DING WIN THE LOTTOmattbrvc 60 points61 points  (12 children)

          I think thats actually really good. If Prophet gets lvl 15 quickly with his midas and early rotations it will be very hard for the enemy to deal with the splitpush with the inc tp cooldowns and reduced armor on towers alone.

          [–]kinkosan 48 points49 points  (9 children)

          This was just a joke, but yes this is pretty good, in last patch NP was already good thanks to the TP nerf, extra treants at lv 15 means more scouting and pushing power

          [–]vvav 40 points41 points  (4 children)

          And now he can feed enemy Lina 66% more gold, too.

          [–]OgreMcGee 4 points5 points  (3 children)

          It may not happen often, but a 6 slotted NP is now so unbelievably dangerous.

          I could see a lvl25 NP base race a 3 or 4 man team. You could have scepter, refersher, AND octarine with your 8 treant summons, ult, and +2x damage on the units.

          Ez 50 treants sieging the ancient with like 40 damage each.

          [–]pyorokun7 39 points40 points  (0 children)

          Undocumented change: Natural Order's armor reduction radius was now actually fixed from 325 to 350.

          Edit: As /u/cjchurchlow noticed, I'm not certain that Puck's base damage was actually increased.

          [–]NahazDota 105 points106 points  (14 children)

          This is a very odd patch. 18 of the 21 heroes changed are "double buffs" or "double nerfs" that go in the same direction as changes to those same heroes in 7.04. It's very unusual- I can't remember another time we had a patch that was so obviously a 'continuation' of the one before it. It's also puzzling to me because the 7.03 changes were pretty clearly heavily influenced by the Kiev Qualifiers and the current pro meta and it's not as if we have a ton of data since then.

          [–]💯 💯 💯GhostCalib3r 23 points24 points  (1 child)

          Honestly though last patch was pretty light. Kotl and Centaur barely getting touched; when they were so clearly dominant, for example.

          This is probably a patch that was held off as a precaution, and only realeased now, in order to tighten up those nerfs to bring those heroes more in line again.

          [–]likveedbrunoha 120 points121 points  (22 children)

          OSfrog: 7.03 is going to be splitpush patch

          Players: Nuh uh...

          OSfrog: i told you this going to be a splitpush patch! releases 7.04

          [–]pyorokun7 86 points87 points  (17 children)

          +1

          7.05 Towers mutate to a Obelisk of Light when there are 3 or more heroes in the vecinity.

          [–]Never trust a Redditor!BlackHand 16 points17 points  (3 children)

          Upvote for Command & Conquer

          [–]pos1CM 15 points16 points  (10 children)

          7.05

          Towers BAT is reduced by .2 seconds per hero in 1300 range

          [–]Agressif is my new God! "sheever"Samwise210 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          vvvvvvvVVVVVZZZZZZZZPOW!

          [–]Sheever <3D3Construct 9 points10 points  (3 children)

          I think as long as we have shrines, players are going to be very resistant to split push strategies.

          [–]Send Cancer back to the Stone Age Sheevereshaymusica 29 points30 points  (7 children)

          "We need tanker" Picks Arc Warden -25 cause you have 0 Armour and 0 MS

          [–]TagoKG 91 points92 points  (21 children)

          Centaur: Stampede Scepter damage reduction reduced from 50% to 40% okey

          7.05 damage reduction reduced from 40% to 10% o

          [–]odaal 27 points28 points  (13 children)

          to be honest its still good and its still going to be picked up every game.

          I think if they nerf it to 25%, and only then it's gonna be probably not worth getting.

          [–]mjc354 11 points12 points  (12 children)

          40% is a 33% drop in reduction since a couple of patches ago. I hope they don't try and tweak it again for at least another couple of patches, or we might stop seeing Centaurs altogether.

          [–]Mirarara 6 points7 points  (1 child)

          I don't really pick Centaur for the Agh.

          [–]Eco212 122 points123 points  (80 children)

          Slippers of Agility are no longer available in the Side Shop

          RIP antimage

          [–]braaainfeeder 18 points19 points  (1 child)

          inb4 courier wars between mids with Bottles and AMs who want their Slippers shipped

          [–]Sak_Madiq 32 points33 points  (3 children)

          just buy two slippers, tango, salve, pick up bounty rune and by the time u run to the shop u have gold for pms

          [–]100 years before retirement and pensionJojo_Manji 24 points25 points  (2 children)

          7.05 Patch Notes

          Side shop will only be open during the day.

          [–]steno_light 49 points50 points  (2 children)

          7.09

          Stampede Scepter causes allies to take 10% more damage.

          [–]Le Balanced Spooky BirdGranpire 22 points23 points  (1 child)

          One Phoenix Fire Spirit at level 15 now does 540 damage before reductions, assuming you don't dispel it.

          3 fire spirits perfectly chained do more than a level 3 non-aghs Poison Nova.

          [–]Standard Sheever Builds ProjectTorteDeLini 80 points81 points  (7 children)

          awesome.

          [–]Admirable AdmiralReaper1442 36 points37 points  (5 children)

          Can't tell if genuinely excited, or peeved at the constant build edits you're having to go through.

          [–]Standard Sheever Builds ProjectTorteDeLini 58 points59 points  (4 children)

          Love patches, a little tired of the work

          [–]Matu da goatSergeIblocka 10 points11 points  (0 children)

          Love your work, pretty much the only guides I follow. <3

          [–]CLQ.Hypocrisy.[Respect]Colorless267 81 points82 points  (47 children)

          Rekt

          Monkey King: Spring winding up sound effect can be heard by nearby enemies

          [–]Don't run! We're your friends!15master 60 points61 points  (14 children)

          Not rekt, balanced, quite nicely in fact.

          [–]https://www.dotabuff.com/players/79461888JDF8 45 points46 points  (7 children)

          Quite nicely balanced into the trash heap

          I imagine he is playable against the kind of people who try to manfight ursa lvl 1, so if thats you heres some needed nerfs

          [–]TheAlmightyLoaf 32 points33 points  (3 children)

          SORRY, I CAN'T HEAR ANYTHING. I MUTED EVERYONE AND HAVE SOUND TURNED DOWN REAL LOW SO I CAN JAM TO RTZ'S PLAYLIST.

          [–]Daralii 40 points41 points  (3 children)

          Nature's Prophet: Level 15 Talent changed from +35 Movement Speed to +4 Treants Summoned

          https://nicedotame.me/

          [–]No Dig Fan - SheeverDoopSlayer 47 points48 points  (7 children)

          4 treants pogchamp

          also puck is just going to get buffed until it has treant protector levels of damage at level 1

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            [–]TEMPEST OF THE ZETTswat_teem 11 points12 points  (19 children)

            slowly the warden will return =)

            [–]haHAA im also a tinker player haHAAMercurali 6 points7 points  (3 children)

            I believe Arc will return but mostly to split push.

            Midas > Necrobook + Dragon Lance > Manta.

            Still needs a bit more buffs (direct or indirectly) though, especially with the pike nerf.

            [–]sheeverScones2 13 points14 points  (3 children)

            Nature's Prophet: Level 15 Talent changed from +35 Movement Speed to +4 Treants Summoned

            I actually like this, it's not a complete joke like the level 25 was and it may have some genuine pushing usage.

            [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

            RIP 7.03, we barely knew ye.

            [–]RARE FLAIR!PluckyPheasant 91 points92 points  (62 children)

            That Phoenix talent is ridiculous now. LVL 4 Fire Spirits with the LVL 15 talent now deals a total of 2160 damage before reductions, on top of a very strong AS slow. Each spirit can deal 540 damage by itself, potentially on multiple heroes as the radius isn't small.

            I do love the firebird though. Great buff and hopefully back shining again soon.

            [–]twas not luck, but skillChad_magician 63 points64 points  (45 children)

            lol, 2160 damage over the course of 16 sec or something? if you're allowed to linger around a target for that long as a phoenix, game is won anyway

            [–]New patch plsevilMTV 25 points26 points  (1 child)

            If the opponent can allow phoenix to linger around him for 16 sec and not die, phoenix team have lost.

            [–]jacko0712 5 points6 points  (4 children)

            No fucking kidding. Fire spirits already does a TON of dmg without the trait. The problem with it is that you have to actually persistently land the spirits, and they are purgable. This makes it balanced. Now +65 dps per spirit, are you kidding me!?

            It's already pretty good at lvl 1 for dicking over the laning phase. Everyone complains it does shit dmg, but in actuality it does a total of 160 dmg if you can land all the spirits. Compare that to Warlock shadow word with 180 dmg at lvl 1 and it's not bad.

            That's not that big of a difference. PLUS fire spirits reduces your attack speed by a whopping 80% - that's huge. Roaming phoenix maybe?

            [–]・:°(✿◕◡◕)° I was just looking in on the Nether Reaches.kjhgfr 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            but in actuality it does a total of 160 dmg if you can land all the spirits.

            It's pretty damn shit damage at level 1 and gets outhealed by a tango.

            Unless I have to, I usually wait until level 3 before I cast Fire Spirits.

            [–]pyorokun7 49 points50 points  (46 children)

            WTF 7.04. How long last 7.03? A week?

            • Slippers of Agility are no longer available in the Side Shop

            Meh. This is mildly annoying.

            • Magnus: Base attack time increased from 1.7 to 1.8

            I haven't been paying that much attention to tournaments lately, but has Magnus got a huge increase in picks and/or winrate to warrant this?

            Edit: http://www.dota2.com/news/updates/28351 changelog

            [–]@tfgdotaToxicco 63 points64 points  (14 children)

            Magnus has been picked like every game in high mmr

            [–]Get off my lawn.Freeloader_ 13 points14 points  (9 children)

            because since Jugg arcana was released they are pairing Jugg and magnus every fucking time cause empower + jugg is fucking OP.

            [–]baffledThatOneGuy1294 37 points38 points  (3 children)

            Empower + insert melee right clicker is OP

            [–]Dath14 11 points12 points  (2 children)

            He started trending near the end of the Kiev Major qualifiers and then became almost 100% ban/pick rate shortly after it ended. Subsequently, massive increase in bans/picks in high mmr ranked.

            [–]SheeverLogicKennedy 9 points10 points  (5 children)

            The biggest issue with Magnus recently has been his ability to power-farm with the Talon/Sabre build, beyond what the previously-intended limits of the hero were. Icefrog wants to keep the cool ult-centric nature of the hero intact, as well as his synergy with Jugg/Troll/AM etc., whilst slowing down his ability to hit key item timings, which makes him a vastly superior pick to heroes like Puck currently.

            [–]Mirarara 11 points12 points  (1 child)

            Magnus Juggernaut is like the SD Luna of last patch.

            [–]wew ladscheesepuffly 8 points9 points  (6 children)

            I'm guessing this is more like 7.03b than 7.04 but Icefrog is not doing lettered versions right now for whatever reason.

            [–]Rasiah 10 points11 points  (5 children)

            I think with 7.00 he started doing a new numbering for the patches, so what x.xxb, x.xxc used to be is now the second decimal (7.01, 7.02..), and the next big patch will be called 7.10

            [–]AbanoMex 17 points18 points  (9 children)

            Slippers of Agility are no longer available in the Side Shop

            the fuck

            [–]Spooky Ice Man Comeththrowawaycanadian 27 points28 points  (7 children)

            Could never buy Gauntlet or Mantle, so I always thought it was weird you could get Slippers. Kind of makes sense I guess?

            [–]AbanoMex 9 points10 points  (3 children)

            well i always thought it was there to make certain items, like Poor's man shield, but i guess they want to nerf some early survability for the hard carries or something.

            [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (4 children)

            icefrog buffing my boy ARC WARDEN THANK YOU

            [–]I spam Tinker in unrankedGoodEvening- 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            Tinker flair

            Happy about Arc Warden buff

            Are you from Satan's family?

            [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            vigne is best girl so it's probable

            [–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (29 children)

            Am I the only one who thinks they're trying to push the version numbers along as fast as possible? This doesn't feel like 7.04 as much as 7.03a.

            [–]Blarrgz 54 points55 points  (10 children)

            I think they are just moving away from using more decimal places (or in this case letters).

            Being consistent with versions makes it easier to find and locate changes. Nothing wrong with having small patches having a new number to them.

            EDIT: Sidenote this also improves data mining capabilities for wiki websites or other things. Having consistent patch number names makes it easier to automate the data mining process.

            [–]Khir 9 points10 points  (0 children)

            I mean, to me, the only reason they switched to using things like 6.XXa is because they realized, "shit, we're getting close to 7.00 and people will start expecting things." So they slowed the march to 7.00 with the letters. Now they are passed that barrier, they're freed from that constraint.

            [–]opisavirginloser 16 points17 points  (10 children)

            ctrl + f alchemist

            still nothing huh

            interesting

            [–]DING DING DING DING WIN THE LOTTOmattbrvc 53 points54 points  (13 children)

            Slippers of Agility are no longer available in the Side Shop

            IceFrog: FUCK AGI CARIES

            Edit: Offlaners as well. those Faceless void pickers are really getting out of hand Kappa

            [–]jackmanlol66 34 points35 points  (5 children)

            more like, fuck offlaners buying pms from the sideshop.

            [–]DotA__2 11 points12 points  (0 children)

            Any melee hero was getting PMS.

            [–]Callmechemical 115 points116 points  (8 children)

            Fixed a bug where hurricane pike was viable

            [–]BSJ Sub Tourney ChampTheFirebeard 81 points82 points  (6 children)

            250 for an item slot, 8 agi, and 3 strength now costs 500

            not viable

            What a ridiculously dumb statement.

            [–]AKKE-GOD EGM-GOD BULL-GOD S4-GOD L-GODHeavenAndHellD2arg 34 points35 points  (0 children)

            hes joking, it was stupid how cheap the upgrade was, now it looks good.

            [–]Hiroki Etsukohirokietsuko 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            Wait... no Jugg nerfs? Oh... of course... the arcana. Nice one, Gabe-sama

            [–]greensheepman7 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            Silver Edge recipe increased from 300 to 500

            Bristleback's winrate increased by 0.05%

            [–]reapr56 71 points72 points  (14 children)

            +4 treants PogChamp but is it as good as 6 treants

            [–]PM_ME_UR_ASCII_ART 44 points45 points  (10 children)

            its -2 treants less good

            [–]Guys please micro your serpent wardsAwesomeArab 45 points46 points  (8 children)

            So its 2 treants better?

            [–]https://www.dotabuff.com/players/102375720blue4427 12 points13 points  (0 children)

            admiral6

            [–]sheeverMelovesfoxes 7 points8 points  (1 child)

            PUCK META HERE WE COME

            [–]Bring back the goblins.jumbohiggins 5 points6 points  (5 children)

            Everyone is saying that these changes are aimed at agi carries or offlaners or whatever, but I think you guys are missing some things.

            • Hurricane Pike recipe increased from 250 to 500
            • Silver Edge recipe increased from 300 to 500
            • Ghost Scepter cooldown reduced from 25 to 20
            • Heaven's Halberd cooldown reduced from 22 to 18

            From my viewpoint the majority of the changes are about slowing down most of the early aggressive carries and maybe giving some help to some struggling supports?

            [–]hello im birdSmaugTheGreat 18 points19 points  (3 children)

            Phoenix: Level 15 Talent increased from +50 Fire Spirits DPS to +65

            Cawsome <3